How To Install Cragar Unilug Wheels
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| 57tim Valued Contributor Posts: 3108  Loc: Cameron, Wi, USA Reg: 11-09-01 User Info Send Individual Topic |  09-13-14 04:39 PM - Mail service#2483812 Is there whatsoever way to become Cragar SS wheels with Unilug to residuum correctly then at that place is no vibration going downwards the road. I supplant one that was slightly out of true and that helped but it has been bugging me for years. Anyone else accept this problem? 57 Bel Air 2dr Ht |
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| Tri5man Valued Contributor Posts: 3952  Loc: Possums Crotch, KY Reg: 06-26-07 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-14-fourteen 07:07 AM - Postal service#2483906 In response to 57tim If it were me, I'd send them back to Cragar. |
| 57tim Valued Contributor Posts: 3108 Loc: Cameron, Wi, USA Reg: 11-09-01 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-xiv-14 07:30 AM - Post#2483914 In response to Tri5man I can't, I bought used and information technology was 7-viii years agone. If my problem is non common, I'll go some different wheels and sell these. 57 Bel Air 2dr Ht |
 raycow DECEASED Posts: 27999  Loc: San Francisco, CA Reg: 11-26-02 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-14-14 ten:22 AM - Post#2483935 In response to 57tim Are you sure the trouble is residuum and not centering? What happens when you put the wheels on a balancing motorcar? Ray Those who choose an automated transmission want transportation. Those who choose a manual transmission want to bulldoze. |
| 56sedandelivery Deceased Member RIP Posts: 5917  Age: 70 Loc: Everett, Wa. Reg: 02-26-08 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-14-14 eleven:xxx AM - Mail service#2483950 In response to raycow You MUST utilise Cragar'due south lug nuts with their wheels; if you lot don't......................... I have't had whatsoever problems with Cragar South/S wheels in all the years I've run them, merely I always use their lug nuts as well. I am Butch/56sedandelivery. |
| rod Member #248 Senior Member Posts: 1754 Loc: kingman,az Reg: 04-29-00 User Info Transport Private Topic | 09-14-fourteen 01:55 PM - Post#2483975 In response to 56sedandelivery things to check. 1. the lugs must fill up the hole-sideways. that is no slop. 2. brand sure the lugs are non longer than the thickness of the mounting expanse. accept the bike off, put a lug with the washer thru the hole and make certain that information technology does non protrude, not fifty-fifty flush. the are lots of different lengths of lugs. many times the lugs will bottom out on the brake drum and not tighten confronting the bike. this is very dangerous. iii. make sure none of the front hub rivets are interfering with the rim. |
| dynchel Contributor Posts: 259  Age: 47 Loc: mentor ohio Reg: 08-16-12 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-14-xiv 05:sixteen PM - Mail#2484026 In response to 57tim I have worked in tire shops since the early on ninety'due south and crager ss's (& keystone klassics for that matter) have always been balancing nightmares due to the unilug, and the design of the wheel (far from platonic to chuck up on a balancer). When cragers were popular (back in the '70'south) bubble balancers were the norm & a bubble balancer is unaffected past the bike design. |
| Thurman55 Contributor Posts: 756 Loc: Albany,Ga. Gold Fellow member Reg: 05-23-02 User Info Ship Individual Topic | 09-14-14 06:54 PM - Mail service#2484045 In response to dynchel Dorsum in the belatedly '60'southward while working at an old time gas station nosotros did tires, brakes, alignments, all that car stuff. When the "uni-lug" style rims first stated showing up we noticed complaints from customers about their tires feeling out-of-balance although we used the quondam mode Hunter "spin the wheel" on the motorcar balancer, still the best for my money. On many of these uni-lug wheels we would discover that the lug nuts would indeed bottom out against the restriction drum before the back of the rim touched the brake drum. Those were really a problem. Nosotros would as well notice that the particular type of lug nut would be a problem every bit they would non stay really tight on the uni-lug rims. It seemed that the makers of the uni-lug rims would make the rims as "ane rim will fit everything", which they certainly did not. |
| YOUNG57 Frequent Correspondent Posts: 1331 Loc: Tennessee Reg: 12-06-10 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-xv-14 05:16 PM - Mail service#2484279 In response to dynchel I run Cragar SS 15x7s with 225/70R15s at 80 mph plus with no milkshake. The tire experts that balance mine use a calculator balancer with a heart cone (doesn't everybody these days?). They set the balancer (position the arm that is normally positioned at the bead) to remainder where the stick-on weights will be placed, out of sight on the backside half fashion between both beads. |
| 57tim Valued Contributor Posts: 3108 Loc: Cameron, Wi, United states of america Reg: 11-09-01 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-15-xiv 05:23 PM - Post#2484285 In response to raycow
Are you sure the problem is rest and not centering? What happens when you put the wheels on a balancing motorcar? Ray They balance ok. 57 Bel Air 2dr Ht |
| 57tim Valued Contributor Posts: 3108 Loc: Cameron, Wi, United states of america Reg: eleven-09-01 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-15-14 05:25 PM - Post#2484286 In response to 56sedandelivery
You MUST apply Cragar'due south lug nuts with their wheels; if you don't......................... I have't had whatsoever problems with Cragar S/S wheels in all the years I've run them, just I ever apply their lug basics also. I am Butch/56sedandelivery. I have Cragar lugs. I was aware of that fact. 57 Bel Air 2dr Ht |
| 57tim Valued Contributor Posts: 3108 Loc: Cameron, Wi, U.s. Reg: 11-09-01 User Info Ship Private Topic | 09-15-xiv 05:31 PM - Post#2484287 In response to rod
things to check. 1. the lugs must fill up the hole-sideways. that is no slop. 2. make certain the lugs are non longer than the thickness of the mounting area. take the wheel off, put a lug with the washer thru the hole and make sure that it does not protrude, not even flush. the are lots of unlike lengths of lugs. many times the lugs volition bottom out on the brake drum and not tighten against the bike. this is very unsafe. 3. make sure none of the front hub rivets are interfering with the rim. I have not noticed any slop simply its worth a endeavour. I don't call up the lug is too long but I will cheque that also. There are no rivets, I accept disk brakes and the surface are smooth. 57 Bel Air 2dr Ht |
| 57tim Valued Contributor Posts: 3108 Loc: Cameron, Wi, USA Reg: 11-09-01 User Info Send Individual Topic | 09-15-14 05:48 PM - Post#2484293 In response to YOUNG57
I run Cragar SS 15x7s with 225/70R15s at 80 mph plus with no shake. The tire experts that rest mine use a reckoner balancer with a centre cone (doesn't everybody these days?). They set the balancer (position the arm that is normally positioned at the bead) to balance where the stick-on weights will be placed, out of sight on the backside one-half mode between both beads. I remember the old days where the residual spun the wheel/tire on the automobile. That worked for chrome reversed very well. No one has these anymore. I don't have the stick on weights, simply normal weights on the dorsum side of the bike. Maybe I should effort that. I had a bad bicycle that I have replaced just nevertheless get the vibration. I installed KYB shocks and that helped but not totally. I guess its back to the garage and maybe the balancing shops that have glue on weights. We even tried forced balancing but no help. I had the same style wheels on a 67 GTO 20 years ago and didn't have any problems then. Thanks to all that responded. I got some good ideas from y'all all. 57 Bel Air 2dr Ht |
| killerkjn Fellow member Posts: 104 Loc: Edgewood, WA, usa Reg: 12-xix-02 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-17-xiv 07:04 AM - Postal service#2484628 In response to 57tim I too have Cragar ss 15x7 215/70r-15 on my 62 Impala. The problem with these unilug wheels are that they are lug centric non hub centric wheels. Then the cone type balancer won't piece of work. You lot need a fixture that holds the cycle by the lug holes in the balancer for a good balance. I take not found a shop that can exercise this. When I mention these are lug centric wheels and a fixture is needed I go the deer in the headlights wait by the tire shop workers. Right now my wheels practice ok up to well-nigh 60 mph merely after that I go a shake that gets worse the faster I go. I notwithstanding don't know what I volition do. Maybe make my ain fixture from an one-time axle. Good luck with your wheels. If you find a solution post it here. I think at that place are a lot of people in your aforementioned situation. |
| raycow DECEASED Posts: 27999 Loc: San Francisco, CA Reg: eleven-26-02 User Info Send Individual Topic | 09-17-fourteen 08:03 AM - Post#2484647 In response to 57tim
Are you certain the problem is balance and not centering? What happens when yous put the wheels on a balancing car? Ray They balance ok. That'south why I asked about centering. Jack a wheel off the basis and fix some kind of pointer which almost touches the bicycle. Then turn the wheel slowly past paw and watch for run-out. Ray Those who cull an automatic manual want transportation. Those who cull a manual transmission desire to drive. |
| 57tim Valued Contributor Posts: 3108 Loc: Cameron, Wi, USA Reg: 11-09-01 User Info Send Individual Topic | 09-17-14 10:36 AM - Post#2484669 In response to raycow Yes that's next. At that place is a company locally that tin or did grind the tires some if they were out of circular. If that is my problem I'll see if they still practice that. If all else fails, my wife may get her wish for steel chrome wheels and baby moons. Cheers. 57 Bel Air 2dr Ht |
| 57tim Valued Correspondent Posts: 3108 Loc: Cameron, Wi, USA Reg: 11-09-01 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-17-14 10:38 AM - Mail#2484670 In response to killerkjn If mine were expert to threescore, I'd settle for that. If I solve the problem, I'll post my success. Thanks, I didn't think I was the only one with this problem. 57 Bel Air 2dr Ht |
| raycow DECEASED Posts: 27999 Loc: San Francisco, CA Reg: xi-26-02 User Info Send Individual Topic | 09-17-14 03:13 PM - Post#2484723 In response to 57tim
There is a company locally that can or did grind the tires some if they were out of circular. If that is my problem I'll come across if they still do that. Well I was thinking about the wheels being off-center rather than the tires. Unilugs can exist actually bad for this, although a lot of people don't want to talk nearly it. Grinding the tires might actually help though, and would be easier than trying to fix the wheels. Ray Those who cull an automatic transmission want transportation. Those who choose a transmission manual want to drive. |
| jb2009 Contributor Posts: 170 Reg: 06-02-09 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-17-14 08:24 PM - Post#2484790 In response to raycow I'd give anything to detect 1 of those erstwhile Hunter machines. |
| Keith Seymore Correspondent Posts: 765  Loc: Southeast Michigan Reg: 09-17-08 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-18-fourteen 07:14 AM - Post#2484867 In response to 57tim
I run Cragar SS 15x7s with 225/70R15s at eighty mph plus with no shake. The tire experts that balance mine utilize a computer balancer with a middle cone (doesn't everybody these days?). They set the balancer (position the arm that is normally positioned at the dewdrop) to residual where the stick-on weights volition exist placed, out of sight on the backside half manner between both beads. I think the old days where the remainder spun the bike/tire on the automobile. That worked for chrome reversed very well. No ane has these anymore. I don't have the stick on weights, only normal weights on the back side of the bike. Peradventure I should attempt that. I had a bad bike that I take replaced simply notwithstanding go the vibration. I installed KYB shocks and that helped but not totally. I approximate its back to the garage and maybe the balancing shops that have glue on weights. We even tried forced balancing but no help. I had the same style wheels on a 67 GTO 20 years agone and didn't have whatever issues then. THANKS to all that responded. I got some good ideas from yous all. How do you know it's tire/bike related, and not some other disturbance (restriction pulsate, bulldoze shaft, etc)? K Chevelle Intro: http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/1005phr_... |
| 50hotrod Frequent Contributor Posts: 1081  Loc: Wisconsin Reg: 07-25-xi User Info Send Private Topic | 09-eighteen-14 08:51 AM - Post#2484892 In response to 57tim
I run Cragar SS 15x7s with 225/70R15s at 80 mph plus with no shake. The tire experts that balance mine use a computer balancer with a center cone (doesn't everybody these days?). They set the balancer (position the arm that is normally positioned at the dewdrop) to rest where the stick-on weights volition be placed, out of sight on the backside half way between both beads. I remember the erstwhile days where the balance spun the wheel/tire on the auto. That worked for chrome reversed very well. No one has these anymore. I don't have the stick on weights, merely normal weights on the back side of the wheel. Mayhap I should try that. I had a bad bicycle that I have replaced but notwithstanding get the vibration. I installed KYB shocks and that helped but not totally. I guess its back to the garage and maybe the balancing shops that take glue on weights. We even tried forced balancing but no aid. I had the same style wheels on a 67 GTO 20 years ago and didn't have any issues then. THANKS to all that responded. I got some good ideas from y'all all. Is the vibration coming from one wheel? Volition the vibration motility if you place the wheel on a different axle? 1950 CHEVY 2 DOOR 327 TRI Power FENDERWELL HEADERS HEIDT FRONT Suspension 700R4 TRANS 411 REAR |
| chevy power Forum Newbie Posts: 68 Age: 52 Loc: paris/french republic Reg: 02-11-09 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-18-14 12:55 PM - Post#2484951 In response to killerkjn I 'chiliad also in that problem with my 68 caprice...the car is set up on 235/75/15 tyres and Pontiac.rally' ii's bike,I also compensed the forepart rail with one inches adapters, balanced the tyres twice,still milkshake over 60 mph |
| Old_Longboarder Deceased Member RIP Fine art Posts: 12969 Loc: GOD'south Garage Reg: 03-28-02 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-eighteen-14 01:44 PM - Mail service#2484966 In response to chevy power Unilug wheels in my stance are junk. If I had a set of those, unless the center pigsty of the wheel fit the hub or axle flange exactly in society to stregthen and heart the wheel, I wouldn't trust them across xl MPH. Abode.., is where canis familiaris hair sticks to everything only the dog. |
| cnbell Deceased Posts: 9224  Loc: So Cal Reg: 04-xiv-04 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-19-xiv 09:45 AM - Post#2485181 In response to Old_Longboarder I had a set of Uni-lug Keystones on a car. I finally got rid of the shimmy by installing a dissimilar set of wheels... Craig http://www.picturetrail.com/cnbell |
| raycow DECEASED Posts: 27999 Loc: San Francisco, CA Reg: eleven-26-02 User Info Transport Individual Topic | 09-xix-14 10:xiv AM - Mail#2485186 In response to Old_Longboarder I wouldn't say that Unilug wheels are "junk", merely they are a poor design pick because they crave impractically shut tolerances on the wheels, washers, and basics to ensure acceptable centering. Information technology would certainly be possible to manufacture Unilug wheels that worked, but the cost would then be also high, and the whole reason behind Unilugs in the commencement place was to save money (by reducing inventory requirements). Ray Those who choose an automatic transmission desire transportation. Those who choose a transmission transmission want to bulldoze. |
| 57tim Valued Contributor Posts: 3108 Loc: Cameron, Wi, USA Reg: 11-09-01 User Info Send Individual Topic | 09-19-14 01:44 PM - Post#2485219 In response to Keith Seymore
I run Cragar SS 15x7s with 225/70R15s at lxxx mph plus with no shake. The tire experts that rest mine use a computer balancer with a center cone (doesn't everybody these days?). They ready the balancer (position the arm that is unremarkably positioned at the dewdrop) to balance where the stick-on weights will be placed, out of sight on the backside one-half way between both beads. I call up the erstwhile days where the rest spun the bicycle/tire on the machine. That worked for chrome reversed very well. No one has these anymore. I don't have the stick on weights, only normal weights on the dorsum side of the wheel. Maybe I should try that. I had a bad wheel that I accept replaced just still get the vibration. I installed KYB shocks and that helped but not totally. I approximate its back to the garage and perchance the balancing shops that have glue on weights. We fifty-fifty tried forced balancing merely no help. I had the aforementioned style wheels on a 67 GTO 20 years ago and didn't accept any problems and so. THANKS to all that responded. I got some skillful ideas from you all. How do you lot know it's tire/wheel related, and non another disturbance (brake drum, drive shaft, etc)? K Hither is the longer confusing story. Originally I could drive downwardly the road and be dead smooth until I went around a curve and I would get a vibration and if the curve was long enough the vibration would go away, simply if it was a existent long curve, information technology would get thru several iterations of shaking and non shaking. If I was lucky I'd go out the curve and the shaking would exist gone. Going around a city 90 degree curve and if I got upwards to l-56 I might get shaking then as well. My description would be similar the tires are in stage and so get out of phase. You electrical types probably understand this improve then others. And so, going around a curve ,the outer tire would get faster and so the inner tire and get "out of phase" with the inner, slower tire. I take had the wheels and tires off and on several times and each time the symptoms are a little unlike. Irresolute to KYB shocks helped only the shaking seems to have nothing to do with turning any more than. I tin can't modify axles because of different size tires front and rear. Car would never turn with back tires existence to large. I don't retrieve its the drive shaft because of the going around corner phasing deal plus its been shortened for the 700r4 with all new u-joints and yoke plus it didn't effect the shaking situation. Hopefully Sunday, I'll be able to check the tire/wheel for runout/off middle situation and maybe only have them off and reinstall and see what happens this time. It'southward very unlikely the disc brake rotors are the problem but I check the runout on them also. I am beginning to agree it may be the crappy unilug blueprint. I actually like the Cragar wait only am getting tired of the shaking. 57 Bel Air 2dr Ht |
| 57tim Valued Correspondent Posts: 3108 Loc: Cameron, Wi, USA Reg: 11-09-01 User Info Transport Private Topic | 09-19-fourteen 01:45 PM - Post#2485220 In response to cnbell
I had a gear up of Uni-lug Keystones on a car. I finally got rid of the shimmy by installing a unlike gear up of wheels... I hear you. 57 Bel Air 2dr Ht |
| 57tim Valued Contributor Posts: 3108 Loc: Cameron, Wi, United states of america Reg: eleven-09-01 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-nineteen-14 01:46 PM - Mail service#2485222 In response to jb2009
I'd give annihilation to find one of those old Hunter machines. I think that would brand a lot of Cragar owners very happy. 57 Bel Air 2dr Ht |
| 57tim Valued Correspondent Posts: 3108 Loc: Cameron, Wi, Usa Reg: xi-09-01 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-19-14 01:48 PM - Post#2485223 In response to raycow
There is a company locally that tin can or did grind the tires some if they were out of circular. If that is my problem I'll see if they still do that. Well I was thinking about the wheels being off-center rather than the tires. Unilugs tin be really bad for this, although a lot of people don't desire to talk nigh it. Grinding the tires might really assist though, and would be easier than trying to set the wheels. I had some crappy tires that the grinding really helped. Ray 57 Bel Air 2dr Ht |
| Mike Toon Senior Member Posts: 355  Loc: cookeville TN Reg: 12-04-05 User Info Send Private Topic | 09-19-14 01:57 PM - Post#2485227 In response to 57tim I have Cragars and had a reel lite shimmy.
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don't know why ,perhaps bad shape tyres,wheel out of circular,aluminum adaptor not centering the wheel ? I suppose the steel cycle are the cause,every bit fifty-fifty balanced with the good stuff ( wheel centered with the five bolt on the automobile) I take no right values reading...imagine I was dreaming almost keystone classics wheel!! 
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